Balkan kamp

Pozdrav Mario,

Ideja mi se svidja i ja sam za :)

Sto se termina tice, mislim da je maj bas prerano. DrupalCon u Londonu ce biti od 21 do 26 avgusta, tako da mislim da je dobar termin za drupalcamp balkan druga polovina septembra ili pocetak oktobra.

E da, a event bi mogli nazvati: Drupal BalCamp :D

vrh :)

Moja podrška u ovom događaju se podrazumeva ;)

BalCamp FTW!

Pa već si u Srbiji!

Da se razumemo, Srbi nemaju ništa protiv Albanaca iz Albanije kao ni protiv Albanaca sa Kosova. Ovde su dobro došli svi ljudi dobrih namera i dobrog raspoloženja. Isto tako, svako dobrih namera i dobrog raspoloženja može da dođe u Srbiju u goste.

Ne vidim razlog zašto ti iz Prištine ne bi mogao da dođeš u Beograd na Drupal Camp, pa čak i da držiš predavanje?

Ne vidim razlog zašto bi pisali na Engleskom pošto je reč o Balkan Kamp-u gde se svi narodi dobro razumeju međusobno.

I was trying to say that we can't pass the borders with existing passports because Serbia didn't recognize our Independence.

WTF.... sorry for misunderstanding, I didn't know this, too bad.

Firstly, greetings from Ljubljana.

Secondly, thank you for switching to English :)

Also it is up to you if you wish to have the event in English or in Serbian/Croatian language, if you have two rooms it can even be mixed...

I will join my colleague Janez with interest to attend and help organizing the event. We will also give the heads up on our release party on Friday.

(I see many familiar faces in this thread from Prague and Copenhagen!)

Regards,
Iztok

Glad you moved to English, surely I can say ~5 people actively are willing to help!

Sure we can continue in English, and we can choose that language as the language for the event to come. I agree that in that way more people can participate (Romanians can't speak slavic languages, as well; Hungarians also, and they said they're interested to come).

And I am very glad that I see people from all over the Balkans joining, and at least planning to join, this interesting meetup that we intend to organise.

Gent, I was also unaware that Kosovo folk have problems crossing that border. I know for a fact that there's a group from Pristina and Mitrovica going to every Exit festival here in Novi Sad, and I think they didn't have any problems coming here. If you'd like, I could ask how are they managing to cross it with their passports.

So, for the time being we have following countries interested:

• Serbia
• Croatia
• Slovenia
• Kosovo
• Bosnia?

We'll wait a bit for Bosnians to show up, and then start with actual planning, if you all agree?

We'll wait a bit for Bosnians to show up, and then start with actual planning

Don't forget somebody from Macedonia and Montenegro and then whole exYu is here :) That would be awesome.

Anyway we can start planning right now, and others can join any time later, I don't see a problem with this.

I think we should setup a web site for the camp, also something like OpenAtrium for managing the project!

Well, before going anywhere further with additional work, I would like to know how many people exactly are willing to help in organization (and with that I do not mean only with writing comments). Organizing a DrupalCamp is a huge amount of work, and there is not many point in doing it if on the end only couple of people will do all work.

This does not mean I am thinking that this is a case for DrupalCamp Balkan idea (actually I think it will be quite opposite), and also I think that OpenAtrium is a good idea. But lets first see how many individuals and companies from Balkans are ready to step in and really help - then when we have some better idea we can start some serious planning.

I can say that me and my company will step in 100%. Others?

Seems to be quite a lot of people in http://drupal.org/profile/country/Montenegro and http://drupal.org/profile/country/Macedonia

(see english below)

Veliki pozdrav iz Sarajeva,

drago mi je ideja regionalnog DrupalKampa uzima maha i da se krecemo ka realizaciji. Ovo je nesto sto mi u Sarajevu vrtimo u glavi otkako smo se vratili sa pariskog DrupalCona ali smo vremenom shvatili da je za organizovanje kampa u okviru BiH jos rano jer je ovde zajednica jos prilicno u povojima i u biti je cini 3-4 aktivna covjeka mada nas po raznim grupama na d.o. i l.d.o. ima 30-ak. Dalje je na nama (meni i kolegama iz www.pauza.ba) da to okupimo, uredimo i pokrenemo kako treba. Krenula je prica sa drupalerosima iz Hrvatske o nekom regionalnom desavanju i evo nas konacno, na konkretnoj prici.

Znaci, ekipa iz Sarajeva je tu i spremna da pomogne koliko god bude moguce. To znaci da cemo sigurno spremiti neke sesije, i ostale situacije koje vec dogovorimo. Sto se tice trazenja sponzora za ovaj event, u BiH tesko da cemo naci nekoga jer ne znam kome bi bilo interesantno da sponzorira nesto sto se ne desava ovde. Jos cu da razgovaram sa drugarima iz Pauze o nasem ucescu u sponzorstvu.

Kako stvari stoje, najrealnije mjesto za odrzavanje je negdje u Srbiji, BG ili NS. najvise zbog vece i organizovanije zajednice. Naravno, ako se ekipa iz Srbije slaze :) Takodje podrzavam ideju da se svake godine odrzava u drugoj zemlji. To bi bilo odlicno a nekima bi to bila prva prilika da probaju sarajevske cevape :)

Za sada, iz BiH mozete ocekivati sigurno 5 ljudi koji bi dosli a potrudicemo se da do jeseni to bude i vise.

Sto se tice ove situacije sa engleskim jezikom, nisam siguran sta da vam kazem... mislio sam da ce ovo biti lokalni event i da ce sva prica biti na jezicima na kojim se najbolje razumijemo ali sa ovakvim razvojem situacije mislim da bi to ipak trebalo jos skontati. Naravno, nece moci biti svima potaman pa bih dao prijedlog da to za sada ostane na diskusiji dok vidimo koliko se ljudi sa strane prijavi. Ako ih bude dosta onda idemo na english, ako ne.. onda, jebiga :) smislicemo nesto.

Pretpostavljam da bi sad trebalo skuckati neki inicijalni plan pa sam nasao par korisnih linkova za organizaciju kampova na d.o.

http://groups.drupal.org/node/10437
http://drupal.org/node/247972
http://acquia.com/drupal-event-organizer-kit
http://www.archive.org/details/DrupalconDc2009-DrupalcampHowToAndQA_926

Pogledajte ovo pa hajde da organizujemo neki chat ili video konferenciju zbog lakse komunikacije. Moj skype je perkesa1 pa slobodno zadajte.

I ajde da napravimo najjaci DrupalCamp ikad!

pozdrav,
perke

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Best regards from Sarajevo,

I'm glad the idea of regional DrupalCamp is growing and moving towards implementation. This is something we in Sarajevo are having in the head since we returned from Paris Drupalcon but we eventually realized that the organization of the camp within BiH is still early because the community is still in its infancy and it seems to be 3-4 active man, although there are about 30 people at various groups at l.d.o. and d.o. SO its up to us (me and colleagues from www.pauza.ba) to gather, organize and run properly. We went with the idea of regional event to Croatian drupaleros's, and here we are, finally, organizing the whole story.

So, team from Sarajevo is here and ready to help as much as possible. This means that we will certainly have some sessions, and other situations that we already agree upon. As far as searching for sponsors for this event in BiH it would be hard to find someone because we do not know who would be interested to sponsor something that is not happening here. I will need to talk with friends at Pauza on our participation in sponsorship.

As it looks like, the most realistic place for event would be somewhere in Serbia, BG or NS. mostly due to the larger and more organized community. Of course, if a team from Serbia agrees:) I also support the idea to have DrupalCamp every year in another country. That would be awesome and for some it would be their first opportunity to try cevapi in Sarajevo:)

For now, you can certainly expect 5 people from BiH who would come and we will do our best to increase that number by the actual event.

For the situation with the English language, I'm not sure what to tell you ... I thought that this will be a local/regional event on the languages in which we understand each others best, but with this development of situation I believe we will need to think about it more thoroughly. Of course, it may not be as everyone wish so I would suggest to leave that for discussion until we see how many people from abroad will show up. If there is a lot then lets do english, if not .. then, fuck it:) We'll think of something.

I suppose now we need to come up with some initial plan, so I found a couple of useful links for the Camp organizers:

http://groups.drupal.org/node/10437
http://drupal.org/node/247972
http://acquia.com/drupal-event-organizer-kit
http://www.archive.org/details/DrupalconDc2009-DrupalcampHowToAndQA_926

Take a look at this, and let's organize some chat or video conference to facilitate communication. My skype is perkesa1 so feel free to add me.

Let's have a best DrupalCamp EVER!

cheers,
perke

Nice to see you here, Perke.

I completely agree with you - lets make this the best camp ever! It seems that there's a lot of us, and it is just fine that Belgrade, or Novi Sad, is the first host for the event, as Mario would say: BalCamp.

We already have Atrium installation up & running here, and we can use it.

Pivica said here that, so far, only Iztok and Gent aren't able to communicate in Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian language, and if they won't join organisation that we should use those languages for communication.

I got the feeling that Iztok and Gent are about to be actively enrolled and would be co-organisers (together with Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian folk). Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Because, in that case, we should continue in English.

It is my opinion that the main sessions for the Camp should be in English, with a lot of other ones in each of languages of the countries that are making Drupal Balkan Camp. But let's leave that for later, it is just an idea of mine.

Back to the pledges, I am also confirming that you can count on me 100%. I can't speak in the name of my employer, and even though I think we will get full support there. On the other hand I can guarantee that, in due time, all of my free time will be dedicated to this event of ours.

Pivica said here that, so far, only Iztok and Gent aren't able to communicate in Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian language

And how many of us are speaking b/c/s language that are willing to step in active organisation? If only 2 people are speaking English and I don't know but maybe 20-30 of us are speaking bcs languages then? And this is not political question it is simply practical one.

and if they won't join organisation that we should use those languages for communication.

Well I don't know for Gent but I don't think that Iztok will have any problem. Of course if we switch to bcs combination, when there are topics that needs to be discussed with two of them then sure we will talk on English. And yes if more people come that are speaking English then I don't see a problem of partially or completely switching to Eng.

It is my opinion that the main sessions for the Camp should be in English, with a lot of other ones in each of languages of the countries that are making Drupal Balkan Camp. But let's leave that for later, it is just an idea of mine.

I disagree. I think that main sessions should be on English and bcs languages, so I am proposing a mix. Side sessions should be on any language that session author wants to give - English or bcs.

I mean this should be DrupalCamp Balkan - I guess main purpose is lot of fun, hanging out, meeting new people and friends and I guess spreading a word about Drupal on ex-yu area. If majority of people that will come speaks bcs (and don't forget that one of the important things is to attract new local people, from exyu area, and business).
What I am trying to say, lets find some middle ground, according to number of people that are currently present and projections how many people that are speaking English will come. So I am against that everything should be on English, but also that everything should be on bcs.

Pozdrav svima koji su se ukljucili u ovu diskusiju.
Lepo je videti odziv i saradnju ljudi iz bivse jugoslavije.

I'm not sure why organizing in English is a problem.

I think that we are discussing what language should we use internally - for our own internal organization. Everything else, from sessions to main drupalcamp balkan should be on two languages english and our own.

Anyway, I don't want to steer the conversation in the wrong direction, especially since I probably won't play a big part in organizing this (all depending on the date, of course)

pozdrav svima, evo i mene :)

hi to everyone

@pivica: stvar je u tome da imamo nekog ko ne prica naski pa bi bilo ok od nas da pricamo engleski kako se oni ne bi osjecali zapostavljeni. mislim da nam je to vaznije od prakticnosti. isto kao sto bi se ti osjecao zapostavljen da u sarajevu svi odemo kod zelje na cevape jer svi jedemo cevape osim tebe pa se ti snadji. eto, zato mislim da je ok da pricamo na engleskom.

ok, now i will write in english :)
i think that some mass chat or talk will be fine like next step in comunication. but before that every group should be decide about their aims and goals of camp. than we will manage aims and goals of our camp and than everything is more easier :)

@gent: do you know people from FLOSK? maybe they would be interested too

Hi,

Well I followed the discussion, and read every post. The reasons why I pointed you you/we should turn the discussion to English is because some countries that don't speak Slavic languages and for anyone from outside countries contributors with interest in Drupal because this discussion is document which tells the process of the organization of the camp, even if it's impossible for us to understand we don't want to cause problems just because we can't but I think it's important, though!

@perogabud, basically I am from FLOSSK, and Drupal is one of our projects. ~10 active members including me of the non-profit are happy to hear and are willing to contribute on the camp!

we should definitely use COD distro for this event, it became standard for all drupal-related events.

as for the name, i would stay with convention but with extra twist :) .. so "DrupalCamp Balkan - BalCamp" sounds like we satisfy both formal and non-formal sides

also, me and my friend & colleague from Pauza, Haris, will probably be in Belgrade during the drupal.rs meetup on Feb 5th. Would be great to meet you all and to get on the planning together. If any of the croatian/slovenian drupalistas can stop by that would be awesome. Hope they serve cold beer in Kolacic ;)

(if you know of any decent hotel/motel/apt to rent, close to the place of meetup, let me know, please)

@pivica, no worries, there is plenty of food for us vegetarians, too ;)

Unfortunately, my situation got complicated so I won't make it on the meetup this saturday. I'll see you guys next time... good luck and have fun

Anyone at #fosdem to discuss, i am #fedora booth most of time.

Hi from Greece. I think that DrupalCamp Balkan is a great idea and it would be my pleasure to help.

Organizacija u kojoj radim, bi rado pomogla u promovisanju inicijative sa pisanjem i reklamiranjem ka clanicama i pratnerskim organizacijama, razmenom bannera i sl. Ali ako imate ideju kako bi jos mogli pomoci, pisite.

Organisation in witch i work, will gladly help  in promotion of camp event, with writing news articles, banner exchange with our partnes, etc. If you have an idea extra, write please..

is the registration of association required in order to pull this off?
we might need to do the same when the time comes :)

Yes, it's required.

any ideas about venue? if we can't get Arena I believe Sava centar should do it :)

It's too early to know that info...
Maybe will not be held in Belgrade at all :)

I vote for Novi Sad.

Pozdrav svima,
mali update što se tiče samog naziva događaja.
Drupal Srbija ekipa je imala početnu ideju da se događaj zove Balcamp međutim iz DA su nam dali hint da bi prikladnije bilo nazvati ga Balkan DrupalCamp ili možda čak Balkan Drupal Summit.
Ako neko ima neke primedbe ili možda neki predlog neka podeli sa ostalima ovde.
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Hi Everybody,
update regarding event title.
Drupal Serbia crew initially wanted to name the event Balcamp but we received a hint from DA that it would be more appropriate to name it Balkan DrupalCamp or maybe Balkan Drupal Summit.
If somene has something to suggest regarding event title, feel free to share with others here.

Miki

@mikispeed I come on friday (1.4.) afternoon. I can come to BG on saturday or sunday. Will be staying until monday or tuesday.

Pa zdravo drugari :)

Odlicne vijesti!
Kako da mi pomognemo oko summita? Kada ce se znati vise detalja?

Pozdrav iz Sarajeva